0000015: 0.3.0 stage5 package list

(0000032)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-12 23:20

add x11-misc/slim as replacement to xdm, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM [^]

(0000033)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-14 11:51

List as passed to metro:

lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 net-ftp/filezilla net-im/pidgin www-client/chromium x11-base/xorg-server =x11-misc/slim-1.3.1_p20091114

The change here to note is the gst-plugins-meta. I'm sticking with a stable arm release until further notice.

(0000036)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-15 14:56

concur

(0000041)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-16 13:52

FileZilla has been removed since both unstable and stable versions failed to compile. The errors indicate an unconfigured wxWidgets issue, and once my beagle is done with -rc5 I will reproduce the error and put a bug report on bugs.gentoo.org, per our development standards.

The list has become more precise, since a lot of the packages in this list, while stable, depend on unstable packages. Besides filezilla, no packages have been added or removed. I don't have access to the new list, but I'll post it as soon as I can.

(0000042)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-17 00:09

I compiled filezilla successfully for _rc3/_rc4... http://neuvoo.org/neuvoo/packages/armv7a/0.3.0/official/net-ftp/ [^]

concur with your actions, either we get the problem resolved with filezilla or we look at an alternative would be recommendation.

(0000043)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-18 01:03

New package list, as passed to metro, used to build the 20100618 batch of test -rc5 images, also available in git:

=lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.0-r1 media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 =x11-misc/slim-1.3.1_p20091114

(0000050)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-18 15:52

Slim is no longer in development. I recommend we review lxdm and replace slim with it. Unfortunately lxdm is still under heavy development. (Then again, so is LXDE in general.)

(0000056)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-18 19:03

lxde has worked very well and on a consistant basis even though it is under development. I'm happy with it but I have compiled xfce also and it works well if we run into problems.

Recommended software adds:
net-misc/networkmanager
net-misc/cnetworkmanager
media-sound/pulseaudio

Suggested software adds:
gnome-extra/nm-applet
media-sound/padevchooser
media-sound/paprefs
media-sound/pavucontrol

(0000060)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-23 19:35

We should add x11-themes/gtk-engines too so we don't get the ugly built-in theme as the only option.

(0000062)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-24 09:47

On Beagle systems, where an active network connection may be required to even access X, NetworkManager is insufficient since it doesn't attempt to connect before the user logs in.

So, I suggest the beagle gets netplug and everything else gets NetworkManager.

(0000065)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-24 11:59

I would keep netplug in all systems, and then add NetworkManager to non-beagle systems. I thought this could be handled by cnetworkmanger, if necessary a new /etc/init.d/ script. An even easier solution would be just to have a /etc/conf.d/net entry for beagle.

(0000069)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-24 12:44

I'm betting NetworkManager will conflict with netplug, since NetworkManager is currently independent of any OS configuration, without the appropriate plugin. It's either NetworkManager or netplug, not both, until this year's GSoC finishes.

(0000070)
viridior (administrator)
2010-06-24 17:12

netplug wont conflict with NetworkManager, it just wont be used.

We are delving into the issues I've been having and thinking about for quite a few months. I have been picturing the "official" release as being a stage5 with the configs necessary to be a painless install on the selected device. A few required entries (root passwd, timezone, hostname, etc) and the configs necessary to boot seamlessly with whatever few programs we have bundled with the stage5. If we still require more config changes by the user then I think we are missing the opportunity of being useful to new users beyond your normal Linux "power users". If people want a more customized solution then all you really need to do is give them the stage4/stage5 and point them to our git repo with the configs.

(0000072)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-24 18:40

Just tested: they do conflict, but actually minimally. NetworkManager cleans up nicely, so there's nothing here to be worried about.

(0000073)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-28 12:02

We'll need at least dbus-glib 0.84 (I say we go 0.86 since that's amd64/x86 stable) to fix some bugs NM hit.

(0000074)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-28 12:15

When we generate our next test stage5, we need to make sure polkit's /usr/libexec/polkit-* binaries get polkituser as its group. For some reason the latest test image didn't get this.

(0000075)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-28 13:16

x11-misc/slim is buggy in a lot of ways, as I've found. The most critical is with USE="pam". We'll need to turn this off, or move to another login manager.

(0000076)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-28 15:56

Preparing for a more complete, possibly final stage5. I am NOT building stages yet, so discussion can still occur (on IRC or mailing list).

Notable changes:
* Removed slim, in favor of gdm. Adds four packages, three of which are sudo, gksu, and gksudo, which are probably a good things anyway. Open to discussion
* Removed '=' lines wherever a version is already arm stable. If a stable arm package depends on an unstable ~arm package, that's a bug and should get reported anyway.

=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.84 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 x11-base/xorg-server x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000078)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-06-28 16:00

Add x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 to that list. 0.17.x has some bugs concerning NEON detection that causes X to crash without explanation. 0.18.x seems better tested on armv7a processors.

New list:

=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.84 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 x11-base/xorg-server =x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000096)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-07-27 11:23

Added =media-sound/pavucontrol-0.9.10 and media-sound/alsa-utils.

New list:

=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.86 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 @lxde media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-sound/pavucontrol-0.9.10 media-sound/alsa-utils =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 =x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000101)
javaJake (administrator)
2010-08-14 12:49

All packages are there and working!

Notes
(0000032) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-12 23:20	add x11-misc/slim as replacement to xdm, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/SLiM [^]

(0000033) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-14 11:51	List as passed to metro: lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 net-ftp/filezilla net-im/pidgin www-client/chromium x11-base/xorg-server =x11-misc/slim-1.3.1_p20091114 The change here to note is the gst-plugins-meta. I'm sticking with a stable arm release until further notice.

(0000036) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-15 14:56	concur

(0000041) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-16 13:52	FileZilla has been removed since both unstable and stable versions failed to compile. The errors indicate an unconfigured wxWidgets issue, and once my beagle is done with -rc5 I will reproduce the error and put a bug report on bugs.gentoo.org, per our development standards. The list has become more precise, since a lot of the packages in this list, while stable, depend on unstable packages. Besides filezilla, no packages have been added or removed. I don't have access to the new list, but I'll post it as soon as I can.

(0000042) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-17 00:09	I compiled filezilla successfully for _rc3/_rc4... http://neuvoo.org/neuvoo/packages/armv7a/0.3.0/official/net-ftp/ [^] concur with your actions, either we get the problem resolved with filezilla or we look at an alternative would be recommendation.

(0000043) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-18 01:03	New package list, as passed to metro, used to build the 20100618 batch of test -rc5 images, also available in git: =lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.0-r1 media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 =x11-misc/slim-1.3.1_p20091114

(0000050) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-18 15:52	Slim is no longer in development. I recommend we review lxdm and replace slim with it. Unfortunately lxdm is still under heavy development. (Then again, so is LXDE in general.)

(0000056) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-18 19:03	lxde has worked very well and on a consistant basis even though it is under development. I'm happy with it but I have compiled xfce also and it works well if we run into problems. Recommended software adds: net-misc/networkmanager net-misc/cnetworkmanager media-sound/pulseaudio Suggested software adds: gnome-extra/nm-applet media-sound/padevchooser media-sound/paprefs media-sound/pavucontrol

(0000060) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-23 19:35	We should add x11-themes/gtk-engines too so we don't get the ugly built-in theme as the only option.

(0000062) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-24 09:47	On Beagle systems, where an active network connection may be required to even access X, NetworkManager is insufficient since it doesn't attempt to connect before the user logs in. So, I suggest the beagle gets netplug and everything else gets NetworkManager.

(0000065) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-24 11:59	I would keep netplug in all systems, and then add NetworkManager to non-beagle systems. I thought this could be handled by cnetworkmanger, if necessary a new /etc/init.d/ script. An even easier solution would be just to have a /etc/conf.d/net entry for beagle.

(0000069) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-24 12:44	I'm betting NetworkManager will conflict with netplug, since NetworkManager is currently independent of any OS configuration, without the appropriate plugin. It's either NetworkManager or netplug, not both, until this year's GSoC finishes.

(0000070) viridior (administrator) 2010-06-24 17:12	netplug wont conflict with NetworkManager, it just wont be used. We are delving into the issues I've been having and thinking about for quite a few months. I have been picturing the "official" release as being a stage5 with the configs necessary to be a painless install on the selected device. A few required entries (root passwd, timezone, hostname, etc) and the configs necessary to boot seamlessly with whatever few programs we have bundled with the stage5. If we still require more config changes by the user then I think we are missing the opportunity of being useful to new users beyond your normal Linux "power users". If people want a more customized solution then all you really need to do is give them the stage4/stage5 and point them to our git repo with the configs.

(0000072) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-24 18:40	Just tested: they do conflict, but actually minimally. NetworkManager cleans up nicely, so there's nothing here to be worried about.

(0000073) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-28 12:02	We'll need at least dbus-glib 0.84 (I say we go 0.86 since that's amd64/x86 stable) to fix some bugs NM hit.

(0000074) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-28 12:15	When we generate our next test stage5, we need to make sure polkit's /usr/libexec/polkit-* binaries get polkituser as its group. For some reason the latest test image didn't get this.

(0000075) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-28 13:16	x11-misc/slim is buggy in a lot of ways, as I've found. The most critical is with USE="pam". We'll need to turn this off, or move to another login manager.

(0000076) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-28 15:56	Preparing for a more complete, possibly final stage5. I am NOT building stages yet, so discussion can still occur (on IRC or mailing list). Notable changes: * Removed slim, in favor of gdm. Adds four packages, three of which are sudo, gksu, and gksudo, which are probably a good things anyway. Open to discussion * Removed '=' lines wherever a version is already arm stable. If a stable arm package depends on an unstable ~arm package, that's a bug and should get reported anyway. =dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.84 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 x11-base/xorg-server x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000078) javaJake (administrator) 2010-06-28 16:00	Add x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 to that list. 0.17.x has some bugs concerning NEON detection that causes X to crash without explanation. 0.18.x seems better tested on armv7a processors. New list: =dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.84 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 lxde-base/lxde-meta media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 x11-base/xorg-server =x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000096) javaJake (administrator) 2010-07-27 11:23	Added =media-sound/pavucontrol-0.9.10 and media-sound/alsa-utils. New list: =dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.86 gnome-base/gdm =gnome-extra/nm-applet-0.7.2 @lxde media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta =media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.2-r1 =media-sound/pavucontrol-0.9.10 media-sound/alsa-utils =media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20100506 =net-im/pidgin-2.6.6 =www-client/chromium-6.0.427.0 =x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.6 =x11-libs/pixman-0.18.2 x11-themes/gtk-engines

(0000101) javaJake (administrator) 2010-08-14 12:49	All packages are there and working!

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-06-12 11:08	viridior	New Issue
2010-06-12 11:08	viridior	Status	new => assigned
2010-06-12 11:08	viridior	Assigned To	=> viridior
2010-06-12 11:09	viridior	Relationship added	child of 0000013
2010-06-12 14:38	javaJake	Status	assigned => confirmed
2010-06-12 23:20	viridior	Note Added: 0000032
2010-06-14 11:51	javaJake	Note Added: 0000033
2010-06-15 14:56	viridior	Note Added: 0000036
2010-06-16 13:52	javaJake	Note Added: 0000041
2010-06-17 00:09	viridior	Note Added: 0000042
2010-06-18 01:03	javaJake	Note Added: 0000043
2010-06-18 15:52	javaJake	Note Added: 0000050
2010-06-18 19:03	viridior	Note Added: 0000056
2010-06-23 19:35	javaJake	Note Added: 0000060
2010-06-24 09:47	javaJake	Note Added: 0000062
2010-06-24 11:59	viridior	Note Added: 0000065
2010-06-24 12:44	javaJake	Note Added: 0000069
2010-06-24 17:12	viridior	Note Added: 0000070
2010-06-24 18:40	javaJake	Note Added: 0000072
2010-06-28 12:02	javaJake	Note Added: 0000073
2010-06-28 12:15	javaJake	Note Added: 0000074
2010-06-28 13:16	javaJake	Note Added: 0000075
2010-06-28 15:56	javaJake	Note Added: 0000076
2010-06-28 16:00	javaJake	Note Added: 0000078
2010-07-27 11:23	javaJake	Note Added: 0000096
2010-08-14 12:49	javaJake	Note Added: 0000101
2010-08-14 12:49	javaJake	Status	confirmed => resolved
2010-08-14 12:49	javaJake	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-08-28 23:15	javaJake	Fixed in Version	=> 0.3.0